Why There Is No Sex in Heaven

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Shalom
Peace be to you Keith.

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Hi Rai,Thanks for engaging with my article. I think you might have misunderstood my point about the “etymological fallacy.” I meant that we do need to understand words as the biblical authors intended to use them before trying to apply them to our present context (which I believe is the point that you were making also).

RE

Thank you for that clarification. And yes that’s EXACTLY My point.

However, despite the differences, it’s still appropriate to apply passages about “porneia” to modern-day pornography. How so? Because they both fall under the LARGER biblical category of sexual sin, and more specifically lust. That’s why Jesus says that looking to lust is “adultery of the heart” (Matt. 5:28).

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No, it’s not as extreme as committing the physical act.
RE:
TRUE.

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It doesn’t have the same consequences.

RE:

NOT necessarily. It only has a consequence IF one ACTS on carrying out what he plans, based on personal experience. For instance, Consider CLOSELY

The Lord Jesus in Matthew 5:22 says whoever calls anyone a FOOL is in danger of Hellfire. Now we ask WITHOUT ANY INTENTION of blasphemy, does that mean even Our Lord is in danger of Hellfire because He REPEATEDLY calls the pharisees FOOLS on Matthew 23:17-19? Hence being guilty of murder from the heart? (Cp Matthew 5:21-22?)

Of course NOT

Why? Because although Our Lord called these phonies fools He didn’t CARRY OUT the PLAN to kill them. He just lashed out on them with His lips — and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks right? But He didn’t PLOT to Kill or murder them.

It’s the SAME thing with adultery and lusting AFTER a woman. AS LONG AS ONE DOES not carry out the plans of his heart that’s NOTHING otherwise, can anyone accuse the Lord of bearing grudges towards the pharisees AND contradicting His own teaching by calling them FOOLS?

Context brother. Spiritual context.

Consider IF David AFTER lusting after Bathsheba has the WILL POWER OR should we say SELF Control to fight his urges BUT he didn’t.

OR a poor and STARVING child, salivating or “lusting after” (because lust OR desire is NOT limited only to sex) to STEAL someone else’s bread to satisfy his hunger BUT didn’t.

Can we ACCUSE the child of “sinning” with his mind or heart? Only if we are narrow minded.

So therefore I say it’s NOT a sin until one CARRIES OUT the PLAN. Hence the word of our Lord on Matthew 5:28 should be understood in its PROPER context based on the Greek word ἐπιθυμέω (epithumeo) which means to
“To LONG for, COVET, SET THE HEART UPON” which IMPLIES having a PLOT to carry one’s wicked plan INTO REALITY and not necessarily LIMITED to imaginations only — hence the sin of David with Bathsheba on 2 Samuel 11:1-3 and NOTICE closely, on the succeeding verses, David ENQUIRED after her. No he didn’t just admired OR lusted after her beauty then CONTROLLED himself afterwards by NOT doing the WRONG thing which is ADULTERY (μοιχεύω) BUT planned to have her FULLY by enquiring after her.

So you should consider the SITUATION. Its NOT sin UNTIL one carries out the plans of his mind. It’s the same as saying its NOT a SIN to be TEMPTED but YIELDING TO TEMPTATION is.

In My personal experience although I watched porn to AVOID committing the greater sin, — and I believe the Lord who is NOT narrow in judging as MAN does forgives Me — because I did it to AVOID doing — (again DOING) — the WRONG thing, which is to commit adultery with another man’s wife. Similar to a man VENTING his rage on his enemy by hitting a punching BAG to keep OR control himself from breaking his face CANNOT be accused of committing violence, so is a person who controls himself from DOING the wrong thing that may destroy people’s lives.

Moreover, The Lord DIDN’T mention Gk porneia (Fornication NOT watching lewd shows, dramas or pantings, in those days) on Matt. 5:28 BUT moicheoo ADULTERY.

Apart from David, one of his own sons Amnon, also fell in love (Heb. Aheb אָהַב) after his own sister Tamar on 2 Samuel 13.

So what does father and son have in COMMON? They LACKED self control which is one of the Fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) and CARRIED out the imaginations of their hearts.

That’s the ADULTERY — NOT Fornication, from the heart that the Lord meant. To CARRY out one’s wicked schemes that starts of course, from the HEART. Matthew 5:28. So as not to deviate from the ORIGINAL context, we should understand what SIN is according to THEIR understanding in the East in ANCIENT times NOT from the understanding and preconceived ideas of our WESTERN, not to mention MODERN DAY Culture.

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But it is same sin taking root in the heart.

RE: TRUE and I agree! That is why we should GUARD our hearts for it is the wellspring of life. (Proverbs 4:23) That is why sinners are told to CLEANSE our hearts (James 4:8) so when a sin creeps into our minds and hearts let it remain there AND THEN CLEANSE it by NOT carrying our sinful plans to FRUITION.

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Similarly, when Ephesians 5 says that Christians should have no part of sexual immorality (porneia), he goes on condemn “filthiness” (see Strongs 151) and other forms of impurity.

RE

TRUE and I fully AGREE. Porneia as THEY understood it BEFORE by DOING PORN — NOT erroneously by reading OR watching “porn” which is FORNICATION. I believe its unnecessary for us to go through the passages we’ve cited, before. But yes and I AGREE with you fully Keith, that Fornication that is PORNEIA mentioned on Ephesians 5:3 to be exact refers to …

Fornication, Whoredom, Metaphorically Idolatry. [STRONGS g4202]

NOT reading OR watching sexually explicit materials and I’m NOT just referring to explicit shows BUT ALSO THOSE passages in Scripture WHICH the preachers of MODERN DAY SOCIETY avoid reading because they judge it as “pornographic” LITERATURE.

Again

Literature NOT shows. Not something visual. Now this makes us REALIZE why most painting and artworks of ADAM AND EVE portray them with a LEAF to COVER their genitals. Now is THAT even Scriptural? They only covered themselves AFTER the sinned BUT before? Was the leaf or fig covering PART of GOD’S plan when He created them OR was it included there by the ARTIST to CENSOR their privs because of the FEAR OF OFFENDING the PUBLIC eye?

Take a look on this image Keith

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_Man_(Titian)

Then YOU tell Me.

Mortals and their PETTY morality.

No Im not angry.
Just disappointed.

Do you now see how difference MAN’S views are to GOD’S? Given the chance they would even wanna lecture GOD and “REVISE” His word about what “right and wrong” is based on their MODERN understanding of it. That’s the sin of the pharisees you know. Their leaven OR their doctrine (Matthew 16:6,12) suxx. Speaking of which, you still haven’t expressed your thoughts on WHY our most esteemed priests and preachers today DONT read IF NOT avoid reading passages in Scripture like …

Ecclesiastes 4:11
Proverbs 5:19 and
Ezekiel 23:1-3 and 19-20 and such
from the Pulpit OR in some of their Bible Study Groups.

IF NOTHING is “pornographic” in the Bible and the Scriptures THEN why do they SKIP reading passages like these to their congregation OR “parishioners?’

Are they TRULY sincere in their words?

What do YOU think dear brother Keith? I’m longing to hear your thoughts on this matter.
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The clear implication is that sexual immorality is not limited the act of fornication or adultery, but includes obscenity. And that makes sense based on what Jesus said. God isn’t only concerned with outward actions, but with the heart. “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander” (Matt. 15:19). The tells us to have nothing to do with this stuff.

RE: TRUE Again and I agree. And it seems as if we only disagree on a few points which is perfectly fine.
“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander” (Matt. 15:19).

And Our Lord Yeshua OR Jesus did NOT commit the sin of MURDER from the heart ALTHOUGH He called the pharisees FOOLS because He didn’t carried out the ACT.

I also hope we’re CLEAR on that matter on Matthew 23:17-19 and Matthew 5:21-22? for a Recap.

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Job 31:1 is the verse that my company (Covenant Eyes) is based on. Job says, “I have made a covenant with my eyes; how then could I gaze at a virgin?” They certainly didn’t have the same kind of pornographic content in Job’s day that they do in ours! But he understood that the impulse to look with lust was not God-honoring and he committed himself (made a covenant) not to lust. In the same way, Christians today can commit themselves to living porn-free in a way that honors God and keeps them from of the harmful effects of porn. See: https://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/effects-of-porn-what-watching-porn-does-to-you-and-those-around-you/
Blessings,
Keith

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Yes. And Job was indeed a man of exceptional virtue and character than His Majesty Himself was proud of him before His Adversary Satan. Job did not want to lust after a virgin. But we should ALSO understand that Job has a WIFE that even urged him to renounce GOD and die on Job 2:9. But Job as the story goes remained loyal to YHWH and although he said that he will not lust after a maiden OR A virgin (and we know what lusting after already meant) ALTHOUGH the Hebrew word בִּין Bin really meant to discern, consider OR understand (Strongs h995) — it was the SAME Job who said on
Job 31:9-10 …

“If my heart has been enticed to a woman, and I have laid wait at my neighbor’s door,
THEN LET MY WIFE GRIND FOR ANOTHER, and let others SLEEP with her.”

And surely YOU know what “GRIND” and SLEEPING with others IN that passage meant, do you Keith? Did Job meant grinding grain? Surely not. IF you’re honest with yourself, thats a sexual aphorism WHICH in turn makes us want to REPEAT our same OLD question — why do MODERN day preachers skip IF not avoid reading passages like this one — which are littered everywhere in Scripture? Is it because there’s something wrong in the Bible OR SOMETHING wrong with THEIR minds being conditioned by MODERN DAY MORALITY? Would reading SUCH passages offend GOD OR the citizens of your country? Just WHO are we trying to PLEASE now? GOD OR MAN?

You Tell Me.

To the PURE ALL THINGS are Pure. (Titus 1:15)

And with that final note I leave you GOD’S Blessings.

Hi Keith
Shalom

First off I want to thank you for approving My response on the subject of porn. But I have to disagree with you in saying that …

“The Bible doesn’t mention the word “porn” overtly, so we have to be careful about what conclusions we draw or risk committing the etymological fallacy.”

Etymology by it’s definition means

“the history of a word shown by TRACING it or its parts back to the EARLIEST KNOWN FORMS and meanings both in its own language and any other language from which it or its parts may have been taken.”

And the word porn was derived from its earliest or ORIGINAL ROOT word — porneia

Which definition we have previously laid down which is a man who prostritutes himself — NOT someone who reads, watches, or views porn ACCORDING to how the MODERN AGE understands it. Just as our MODERN understanding of the word “GAY” has a totally DIFFERENT meaning in the 80’s — see? 80’s even barely a millenia — and GAY simply meant HAPPY and NOT synonymous to a homosexual.

So you see, as time passed, and as words “evolved” if you may, there has been alot of MISconceptions of terms, words and even phrases ASIDES from the word porn — words now that has deviated from its ORIGINAL meaning. Take for example the english word PLANET. Let’s tackle on the word porn later. I just want to emphasize a point.

Planet, as we understand it TODAY refers to

“a celestial body moving in an elliptical orbit around a star.”

But don’t you know that the word planet was derived from the Greek word Planetes that has absolutely NOTHING to do with a celestial body moving around a star? It simply means

Wandering.

That’s right. And that Greek word is even found in the Scripture on Jude 1:13 and in your free time you can confirm this personally on the NT Interlinear.

Jude 1:13 …

wild waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering (πλανῆται: Planetai/planet) stars, for whom the blackness of darkness has been reserved forever.

There you go.

And even our “scientific” — (which simply means knowledge Ie. LT. Scientia) — perception of a STAR today VARIES if not DEVIATES from HOW THE SCRIPTURE understands it.

For us today we see the SUN as a STAR and even PLANETS (which originally meant wandering) as stars, leading other Bible CRITICS like the atheists, to doubt IF not ridicule some Biblical prophecies as absurd because in reference to the words of our Lord on Matthew 24:29 THEY reason out —

” … how could stars fall from heaven to earth? That’s absurd! If that would happen the planet would be obliterated for isn’t the SUN a STAR?”

See?

But the BIBLE makes DISTINCTION between the SUN and the Stars as we can read on Genesis 37:9; Psalms 148:3; Joel 3:15 and the aforementioned text on Matthew 24:29 to mention just a FEW.

So you see in our THEOLOGICAL study, IF we base our understanding of words, objects, things, terminologies etc., according to the understanding of MODERN century it would only lead us to a misunderstanding UNLESS we know what the ORIGINAL writers TRULY meant OR intended when they penned those words, terms and phrases. Just as the EARLY INSPIRED writers view the Sun NOT as a star, and planets NOT as we understand them TODAY, the SAME can be said to the word

PORN.

Okay. So I hope that wasn’t a lenghtly clarification to emphasize THE point — which is NOT My point — but THE point accordint to a Scriptural AND unprejudiced understanding.

In TODAYS age, and in MODERN man’s POV, there may be some passages in the Scripture BESIDES Ezekiel 23:19-20 which may be counted as pornographic LITERATURE and you can see some of their feedbacks on this link

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-some-parts-of-the-Bible-so-pornographic

And in sharing that we do NOT necessarily agree with their stance — humanly speaking we may IF we lean on our OWN understanding because what may be OFFENSIVE to man may NOT be to GOD — just as what may be naked in the eyes of men such as Adam and Eve may NOT be seen as naked in GOD’S Sight or POV (and that’s why He asked them who told them they were naked on Genesis 3:11) NOT because He was hiding this fact from them BUT simply because “GOD does NOT see as MAN sees.” (Cf. 1 Samuel 16:7)

The SAME is true with the word

PORN.

You see Keith, that’s the problem in TODAY’s Theology that cardinals, priests, pastors, preachers, laymen and evangelists try to REVISE Scriptural holiness and righteouness and make it CONFORM to the 21st Century MORALITY — and this is why, as we’ve previously stated, there are preachers MOSTLY, if not all, are trying to avoid, shy away IF not skip reading, what THEY (not necessarily GOD) — perceive as pornographic verses, from the pulpit and even in BIBLE SCHOOL — I should know, I sat on one of their classes once — passages like …

Ecclesiastes 4:11
Proverbs 5:19 and
Ezekiel 23:19-20

To mention just a FEW which means there are MORE in Scripture than the ones we mentioned.

Now IF we conform to the moral lenses of todays modern day “scribes and pharisees,” if you will, WE TOO may be swayed to follow after their footsteps and ALSO avoid or skip reading those passages that may OFFEND the public who may perceive them as “pornographic LITERATURE” which may lead to a bad impression on the Bible WHY? Simply because SOME teachings in the Bible does NOT conform to Modern Day Morality and just as the self righteous Jews in the past which our brother Paul wrote —

… seeking to establish THEIR own righteousness, they did NOT subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
(Romans 10:3)

To be honest, today we don’t REALLY read the Scripture according to how it should be PURELY understood, but we read it ACCORDING to the understanding AND interpretation of our own respective religious leaders, preachers, ministers, and so forth.

And THIS My friend is precisely the reason why we are taught to “Search the Scriptures” (John 5:39) because GOD’S Word is Truth (John 17:17)

GOD’S WORD
NOT man’s understanding, philosophies, viewpoints and perspectives.

Moreover, the Scripture tells us NOT to conform to this world (Romans 12:1-2) AND warned NOT to “let anyone rob you through his PHILOSOPHY and vain deceit, after the TRADITION of men, after the ELEMENTS of the world, and not after Christ.” (Colossians 2:8)

Because IF we allow these three PHILOSOPHY, TRADITION and worldly ELEMENTS to invade our thoughts BELIEVE ME when I tell you, we may end up becoming like atheists NOT because they hate GOD BUT because they believe that SOME if NOT most teachings in the Bible do NOT align with modern day standards of goodness and morality which leads us back to contemplate deeply on the words of Paul on Romans 10:3.

You wrote that
“I also agree with you that the Bible itself isn’t shy when it comes to talking about sex (that itself is not pornography).”

And Im happy that we are on the SAME page on that matter HOWEVER not all may agree with us, (which is perfectly fine) IF they allow the STANDARDS of modern day society — (with people who admire outward beauty than inner charm and applaud corrupt officials on well ironed suits than someone with an untainted conscience) — they might as well criticizeSOME of the passages we’ve meantioned as pornographic albeit NOT openly BUT covertly, and this is why they DON’T READ THOSE PARTICULAR PASSAGES in the public.

Can we have an AMEN to that? Why? Because INWARDLY — just as a conman covers up his deception with a subtle smile to lure his unsuspecting prey — they cling OR hold to modern day moral standards RATHER than Scriptural truths. But I’m open to enlightement IF you can share with Me a priest, pastor or preacher you know who have read passages LIKE
Ecclesiastes 4:11
Proverbs 5:19 and
Ezekiel 23:19-20
in one of their sermons OR if you’re a Catholic, homilies.

I’m happy to hear from you if you’ve encountered someone who with CHILDLIKE purity made a sermon out of it. But IF you haven’t well, I guess there’s no need to tell you the REAL reason why.

Now I’ve came across the link to the article you shared here

https://www.covenanteyes.com/blog/is-watching-porn-a-sin/

And have given a bird’s eye view and first off I must say it was a well writ article, however it doesn’t support HOW the ORIGINAL BIBLE WRITERS in the FIRST Century understands porn and I sincerely believe even you agree with Me on this because you have shared the definition of porneia on your article to quote …

porneia
Refers to habitual sexual immorality such
a prostitution, adultery, or fornication

(End of quote)

If you see even the DEFINITION of porn(eia) DOESN’T subscribe to the MODERN DAY understanding of porn which is to partly quote your article’s title “WATCHING PORN” because the BIBLE’S “porn” on 1 Corinthians 5:1; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3 and Revelation 17:2 to mention just a FEW and which ALL uses the Greek word πορνεία (porneia) from where we derive the word PORN which CORRECTLY understood has NOTHING to do with watching OR reading pornographic literature BUT the ACT again the ACT itself. To believe Otherwise would be siding with MODERN day understanding RATHER than STICKING to its ORIGINAL context. So UNLESS you believe that the Great Whore of Babylon on Revelation 17:2 COMMITTED fornication (πορνειας: PORNeias) with the kings of the earth by WATCHING sexually explicit movies which is contextually and ludicrously absurd, PORN as THE SCRIPTURE and NOT its modern day twisted revision of it, has absolutely NOTHING to do with watching and/or viewing sexually explicit movies and material SO that means EVEN IF The SONG of Solomon would be portrayed vividly in a movie as its character dramatises EVERY ACT of it UNCUT (for fear of offending younger viewers) such as Songs 7:7-8 where the lover caresses the woman’s breasts that is NOT pornographic ACCORDING to how the BIBLE in ALL its purity DEFINES porn.

Now the bottomline is that, knowing this truth, do we encourage people TODAY to WATCH porn — based on how modern man understands it? Absolutely NOT! BUT! And there’s that big BUT …

If watching it makes lovemaking MORE exciting for MARRIED couples, for a husband and wife WHY not? We’re made in GOD’S Image, true and we’re ALL men and women with NEEDS both spiritually, emotionally, physically and sexually.

Equally True.

It all depends on HOW we use OR misuse it, to save others OR destroy lives.

So the bottomline is it all depends on someone’s MOTIVE (1 Corinthians 4:5) That is why we shouldn’t judge according to APPEARANCES. Judge not the book by its cover.

I’ll be transparent with you now and before ALL readers. There was a time I watched porn (as YOU people today perceive the word) to AVOID committing TRUE fornication with a married woman so let Me ask you, AM I SINNING there IF the motive was right?

According to modern day theologians, YES. Just as the pharisees accused The Son of Man of Blasphemy by calling GOD His Father (John 5:18 & 10:33)— but conversely NOT admitting to being guilty of the “sin” itself when THEY called GOD their Father. (John 8:41) What phonies.

Conversely, IF a preacher OR a pastor does NOT watch porn (according to modern day understanding) BUT commits the ACT of having Sex with another’s mans wife OR performing immorality with some whores or sluts in a brothel, which sadly is rampant in todays churches Catholic AND Evangelicals to be FAIR — WHICH of these two, in GOD’S Eyes and in GOD’S judgement has committed the GREATER sin?

The one who watches “porn” to avoid tearing a marital relationship OR the one who avoids watching “porn” BUT rips families apart? Which of these two has the BIGGER LOG in the eye that shouldn’t point a finger on those who watch porn WITHOUT knowing their motives first?

Again. Lets NOT be shallow in our judgements.

Motives people.

Motives.

To paraphrase a text in Romans 2 in the “modern setting”

You who tell your members not to watch/read porn from the pulpit, do you screw someone else’s wife?

Let Me give you another example.

IF a man defends his woman from sexual assault and KILLS someone in the process, is the man guilty of murder? OR if someone ACCORDING to the Bible defends his property from a thief and kills him in the night is he guilty of murder? Tell Me what you read on Exodus 22:2-4. What does it say? Sadly our SHALLOW “JUSTICE System” today who doesn’t ADHERE to BIBLICAL justice treat the assaulter and the defender alike by putting them BOTH in prison. See the HARM in adhering to MODERN Day Standards rather than GOD’S Standards?

To quote the words of our Lord — The Son of Man who does NOT care about washing His hands before meal AS long as He has a Pure Heart — we should not judge based on appearances but make RIGHTEOUS or FAIR judgement (John 7:24) The same way as we DON’T condemn drinking wine BUT drunkeness. (Ephesians 5:18)

There’s a HUGE difference.

Same with everything including a GODLY and BIBLICAL (not modern day) understanding of Porn.

BIBLICALLY speaking, Its NOT Porn (Fornication) UNLESS one DOES it. So that means you can READ OR WATCH any “pornographic” sites OR literature online WITHOUT violating the SCRIPTURAL definition of what PORN is.

HOWEVER, as we previously said, one doesn’t have to go through all those porn sites online to know the pure and sacred art of Sex. Reading CERTAIN passages in the Scripture ALONE and I say this with ALL purity — because to the pure ALL things are pure (Titus 1:15) — and using a bit of IMAGINATION is enough to teach a man how to pleasure HIS woman, HIS wife, just like in the Song of songs and Proverbs 5:19 (although modesty aside, I’m not a breast person lol and I say this with CHILDLIKE humor).

So that’s it, Keith and I hope I have expressed the Bible’s Views CLEARLY and concisely when it comes to these matters as we lean NOT on our own understanding but on GOD’S Alone.

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May יהוה His Excellency Be Forever Praised.

Blessings to you and your entire household.

Grace and Peace to you
Jeff

To start off please allow Me to quote your own words …

“Now Rai, you, Jeff and others have expressed disagreement with various points of this article. That’s fine. I like seeing open discussion about important topics. But at this point, you’ve both expressed your views many times. It feels like this discussion has wandered from the main purpose of our website: to help people quit porn.

If you have thoughts on how to help people quit porn, that’s wonder. Feel free to share them here.”

RE:

First off, on behalf of everyone who has taken their time and effort to post their feedbacks here, allow Me to THANK YOU for giving us the fair opportunity to express our thoughts and opinions regarding this subject and although we may not be on the same page regarding some issues, ans we may at times, agree to disagree, we are still united in the bond of love which is the most important thing, in GOD’S Eyes.

I’m happy to know that you’ve stated that you “are NOT anti-sex” and “also spoken out against some of the unhelpful ideas of evangelical “purity culture” … (with supporting links)

Tbh, this is the first time I’ve heard the term “Purity Culture” so curiosity has driven Me to open the link you have given to know more about the core beliefs of this “culture” and to be honest and in fairness, I find some of it, Scripturally sound — and that may perhaps be one of the reasons why I’m still a virgin at My 40’s — or should I say a greenhorn — without any experience on the realm of lovemaking, not just because I believe there would be a second chance in The World to Come OR in Scriptural terms “The NEW Heavens and the NEW EARTH” where offsprings for GOD will be born as we have learned from the prophet Isaiah on 65:17,23 BUT also because I firmly believe in the SANCTITY of Marriage — (not to mention MODESTY among women 1 Timothy 2:9 at ALL times NOT just when Christians gather for worship during Sabbath and Sundays) because Scripture tells us, and with this I believe we all agree that “marriage (should) be held in honor among ALL, and let the bed be undefiled: but GOD will judge the sexually immoral and adulterers.” (Hebrews 13:4 (WEBM)

Now the Greek equivalent for “sexually immoral” is the word πόρνους OR transliterated, pornous, from whence we derive the english word for

PORN

Which leads us to tackle one of the things you said on your latest response which was …

“If you have thoughts on how to help people quit porn, that’s wonder. Feel free to share them here.”

Sure thing.

BUT first off we should understand ONE MAJOR FACT that the way we perceive terms and words today may, in one way OR another, vary from its ORIGINAL meaning and we as Christians should strive to understand the ORIGINAL meaning of the word NOT according to modern day society but BASED on how the ORIGINAL writers understood it during THOSE days. Because the REAL meaning of PORNO according to Scripture is NOT reading OR viewing ssxually explicit materials OR videos BUT it simply means, OWING to its PROPER and UNTWISTED definition based on Strong’s g4205

– Lexical: πόρνος
– Transliteration: pornos
– Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
– Phonetic Spelling: por’-nos
– Definition: a fornicator, man who prostitutes himself.

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with EITHER reading OR viewing PORNIGRAPHIC materials according to the understanding of MODERN day society which has taken the word into an absolute stretch which is a DEPARTURE from its TRUEST and most PUREST meaning — which is “a fornicator, man who prostitutes himself”
and that’s NOT based on My Assumption BUT according to how the WORD is CORRECTLY defined.

OTHERWISE IF we follow through the MODERN day understanding of the term, word, phrase etc PORN are we then to agree with the atheists and those NON-Christians out there on the internet and social media that calls the BIBLE — OUR HOLY BIBLE as a PORNIGRAPHIC material because of certain passages (unread from the pulpits of most churches today out of fear it may offend the discrimating, self righteous, holier-than-thou audiences see? Told you. They fear the feedback of MEN rather than GOD’S) such as …

Ecclesiastes 4:11
Proverbs 5:19
Ezekiel 23:3,8 and 19,20
To mention just a FEW …

Where GOD, in His disgust has described Oholiba’s (aka) Jerusalem’s debauchery and lewd acts by going as far as GRAPHICALLY describing the SIZE of their flesh (or lit. sex organs) to that of a DONKEY’s and their issue/emission (sperm) to that of a horse. WE know this is just a metaphorical description BUT it is nonetheless metaphorically PORNOGRAPGIC according to the MODERN day worldview.

BUT what about YOU Keith?

Let Me ask your OPINION on this regard … are those verses counted as a pornographic statements or phrases?

You may tell Me

“NO IF its GOD who said it.”

But in saying that you are being UNFAIR and INCONSISTENT — and may one way or the other give justification to NON Christian faiths like Islam the right to kill and slaughter our children “because THEIR Allah (Arab. God) says so.”

So let’s be FAIR AND CONSISTENT now, shall we? Right IS Right. Wrong IS Wrong REGARDLESS who does it, GOD, Man, Angel, Demon, Alien etc.

So let’s head back on our SUBJECT on what Porn is, BASED on THE SCRIPTURAL perspective.

Having CLEARLY understood that Scripture views PORN differently from MODERN day society, the QUESTION still lingers.

WHY do preachers of Christendom from VARIOUS churches, sects and denominations AVOID reading passages like the ones we mentioned on …

Ecclesiastes 4:11
Proverbs 5:19
Ezekiel 23:3,8 and 19,20
To mention just a FEW …

IS it because DEEP inside them, they being CONDITIONED by modern morality, still CLING to the the views of MODERN man that these passages are pornographic and fear losing their high and lofty “status” among THEIR members RATHER than GOD’S?

Have most of our religious leaders TODAY become like the scribes and pharisees of old, who love MAN’S PRAISES more than GOD’S? (John 12:43)

YOU TELL ME.

Now in CONCLUSION as a response to your advice and statement namely “If you have thoughts on how to help people quit porn, that’s wonder. Feel free to share them here.”

I CERTAINLY would.

These thoughts are NOT Mine NOR My personal assumption of what PORN really is ACCURATELY defined in Scripture. So yes, I would by ALL means
“help people QUIT porn” and NOT just quit BUT AVOID THE PORN according to SCRIPTURE and that is being a FORNICATOR or someone who PROSTRITUTES himself — because we dare NOT go BEYOND what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) — by taking that word to an absolute stretch which DEPARTS from its ORIGINAL meaning based on how the ORIGINAL writers, understood it.

So ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters we should NOT fornicate ourselves by having Sex OUTSIDE of marriage or having an ACTUAL sexual relationship with our neighbor OUTSIDE of wedlock, because as the BIBLE again the BIBLE (and not modern day theology) teaches us on Hebrews 13:4 (WEBM) … GOD will judge the SEXUALLY IMMORAL and adulterers.

And IF you want to have an idea of what a sexually IMMORAL man is like BASED on Scripture ALONE, read someone who was deceived by a hooker on Proverbs 7:7-27.

That is something we should AVOID and we shouldn’t be like the man who was deceived by a PROSTRITUTE on Proverbs 7 who took the simpleton on her BED (7:17 keyword BED) because we should keep our BEDS undefiled (Hebrews 13:4) WHY? Because “GOD will judge the SEXUALLY IMMORAL and adulterers” just like the Sexually Immoral MAN and the adulteress ON Proverbs 7 who has a HUSBAND but didn’t remained loyal to him.

That’s the CORRECT and PROPER understanding on how one should AVOID porn (sexually immorality/lit. a man who prostitutes himself) according to the CONTEXT of Scripture and NOT according to the sanctimonious understanding of MODERN day Society.

So IF we truly care what GOD says MORE than man’s OR this world’s OPINIONS and philosophies (Colossians 2:8-9) we should call good and evil based on HOW HE SEES it and NOT on how WE, — no matter how advanced we are now in our society — perceive it as we heed the advice of one of the wisest king (NEXT to King Jesus of course) who ever lived on …

Proverbs 30:5-6 (WEBM)

“Every word of GOD is flawless. He is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
DON’T YOU ADD TO HIS WORDS, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.

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Please approve Keith as you have approved My previous post for the enlightenment of many and for GOD’S glory. Thank you and GOD’S blessings be to you and your family IF you do.

Hello, Keith, Rai, are you there ?
What about my comment of June 13th, 2024 at 12:09pm
Any opinions I made, what do we think of this article ? https://www.bu.edu/articles/2011/the-bibles-contradictions-about-sex/