Shelli remembers well the day her husband John called her up to confess his secret obsession with pornography. Years of guilt, shame, and wasted time had finally taken its toll on John, and the emotional dam broke. He knew he needed to tell his wife the truth.
“It took me by complete surprise,” she says, “I didn’t have any clue that it was even an issue.” But after the shock came the hurt. “There was definitely a death of all that I thought was real,” Shelli says. “Everything that we had had prior to that felt artificial…that I was believing a lie, that I didn’t know him, and I didn’t know who he really was, and the way he felt about me was a big lie.”
John and Shelli Mandeville share part of their story on the documentary Somebody’s Daughter: A Journey to Freedom from Pornography. Sadly, John and Shelli’s story of a marriage nearly destroyed by pornography and addiction is all too common. In 2002, at a meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, the divorce attorneys present said over half (56%) of their cases involved one party having “an obsessive interest in pornographic websites.”
Do wives need to lighten up?
In a presentation given at the Witherspoon Institute, Dr. Jill Manning spoke about the impact pornography can have on wives. “It has been troubling and intriguing to me,” reports Dr. Manning, “how many times I encounter derogatory beliefs about this group of women, beliefs that dismiss the magnitude of the issue and the legitimacy of it, by framing them as pathological, overreacting, and frigid women who need to lighten up. ‘After all, he’s just looking?’”
Some women, in fact, have “lightened up.” Not all wives react negatively to their husbands using pornography. Ana Bridges from University of Arkansas’ psychology department says in her own research she has met many women who have justified their husbands’ behavior. “All guys look at porn.” “It’s better than him having an affair.” “At least he’s not always coming to me to get his needs met.”
Bridges labels these rationalizations as “permission-giving beliefs:” things we tell ourselves that make certain behaviors seem normal or healthy. Ironically, it is pornography that often teaches and reinforces these beliefs in the first place. If we receive a steady diet of media that portrays illicit sex as the norm, it is easy to get the impression that “boys will be boys.”
How a woman reacts to her husband using pornography is based in part on what she believes healthy sexuality and relationships should look like in the first place. So, what if, just for a minute, we asked ourselves how our relationships could look if we didn’t live in a pornified culture. What if, for a brief moment, men turned their eyes away from the fantasy images—the airbrushed photos, the clever video editing, the breast enhancements, and the thumbnail images that portray women like dogs in heat—and instead focused on what pornography is really costing them and their wives? Before we quickly label distressed wives as overly conservative prudes, what if we peeled back the layers and instead saw women who were mourning the loss of something they should rightly expect from their husbands: intimacy.
Who says porn is bad for marriages?
John and Shelli certainly understood what porn was costing them. “Accept an impossible appetite and an impossible standard, and it steals from the true beauty of what marriage is supposed to be,” John says. “It’s the perfect theft of growing old together. Who wants to grow old together in a culture where all we honor is what’s young?”
Consider how the research bears this out. Pornography doesn’t teach men to serve, honor, and cherish their wives in a way that fosters romance. Pornography trains men to be consumers, to treat sex as a commodity, to think about sex as something on-tap and made-to-order. As Dr. Mary Anne Layden writes, “It is toxic miseducation about sex and relationships.”
- In Dr. Gary Brooks’ book, The Centerfold Syndrome, he explains how pornography alters the way men think. Because the women in porn are only glossy magazine pictures or pixels on the screen, they have no sexual or relational expectations of their own. This trains men to desire the cheap thrill of fantasy over a committed relationship that requires them to connect to another human being. Pornography essentially trains men to be digital voyeurs: looking at women rather than seeking genuine intimacy.
- According to a study published in the Journal of Applied Social Psychology, after only a few prolonged exposures to pornographic videos, men and women alike reported less sexual satisfaction with their intimate partners, including their partners’ affection, physical appearance, and sexual performance.
- Another study that appeared in the Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy found similar results. When men and women were exposed to pictures of female centerfold models from Playboy and Penthouse, this significantly lowered their judgments about the attractiveness of “average” people.
- Dr. Victor Cline’s research has shown that sexual arousal and excitement diminish with repeated exposure to sexual scenes, leading people to seek out greater variety and novelty in the pornography they view.
- French neuroscientist Serge Stoleru reports on how overexposure to erotic stimuli actually exhausts the sexual responses of healthy young men.
- Dr. Dolf Zillmann reports when young people are repeatedly exposed to pornography, it can have a long-lasting impact on their beliefs and behaviors. Frequently, men who habitually view pornography develop cynical attitudes about love and the need for affection between partners. They begin to view the institution of marriage as sexually confining. Often, men develop a “tolerance” for sexually explicit material, leading them to seek out more novel or bizarre material to achieve the same level of arousal.
Dr. Judith Reisman summarizes it well: Pornography causes impotence—an inability to function with your own sexual power. “If he can’t make love to his beloved,” says Reisman, “If he has to imagine a picture, if he has to imagine a scene, in order to actually reach the heights of completion with this person, then he’s no longer with his own power, is he? He has been stripped. He has been hijacked. He has been emasculated. He has, in effect, been castrated visually.”
We might say the real problem with pornography isn’t that it shows us too much sex, but that it can’t show us enough about what real sex is. Porn treats sex one-dimensionally, packages it in pixels and rips it from its relational context. It titillates with images of sex but cannot offer the experience of real intimacy.
Am I not enough for him?
“It’s not because you’re not enough, not beautiful, and that he doesn’t find you attractive,” Shelli Mandeville says. “It’s so important that women get that.”
Easier said than done. One has only to glance through online forums and blogs on this topic: many women feel his porn use is somehow their fault. They feel they have failed their partners sexually. They feel if they were only more attractive or more available he wouldn’t rush to the porn to get his fix. Researchers have found that wives and girlfriends often feel a loss of self-esteem in these situations.
However, comparing marital intimacy to pornography is like comparing apples to oranges. “The type of pornography that’s available now was never available in human history,” says Dr. William Struthers, author Wired for Intimacy: How Pornography Hijacks the Male Brain. “If you can get on a 50-inch HD television a picture of a woman engaging in a sexual act, the brain’s not wired to expect that kind of thing, because there aren’t women who have 50-inch-HD-TV bodies out there.”
Even the tabloids show us that the so-called picture perfect women can’t possibly compete with fantasy. Why would Tiger Woods cheat on his swimsuit-model-wife Elin Nordegren? Why would Peter Cook spend $3,000 on Internet porn when he could come home to Christie Brinkley? Why would Charlie Sheen be drawn to a digital harem, being married to Denise Richards?
The answer is that a mind trained for fantasy will find reality dull, no matter how supposedly stunning that reality is. Many men have conditioned their brains with this “digital drug” (as Dr. Struthers calls it). Some men train their minds to be turned to viewing sex from certain camera angles. Others train their minds to be turned on by certain physical characteristics. Others train their minds to expect variety: many images, many women, many physical types. And this toxic training begins for most men at a very young age.
Take John and Shelli, for instance. John remembers seeing porn for the first time when he was 10 years old. That’s when his habit began. “So when you’re 12 and 13 and you’re not married, you think when you become married, that this whole habit you’ve created for yourself will just go away because now you’ll have a sex partner,” John says. “But the problem is, it’s not actually a sexual experience, it’s a fantasy experience that your body gets trained for. So now, the reality of the marriage isn’t the fantasy.”
Feminist author Naomi Wolf puts it best. She believes the onslaught of porn doesn’t increase but deadens male libido, leading men to see fewer and fewer women as porn-worthy. “For how can a real woman…possibly compete with a cybervision of perfection, downloadable and extinguishable at will, who comes, so to speak, utterly submissive and tailored to the consumer’s least specification?” No woman can compete with this. “Today,” Wolf writes, “real naked women are just bad porn.”
Steps for Guilty Husbands
John Mandeville offers his words of advice to men: “You’re either going to give in and go for it, and sacrifice everything for pixels on the screen, or you make a commitment to what’s real—what’s a real human sitting next to you, and commit to whatever it takes to make that work.” And turning to Shelli he says, “And we had to make that decision together.”
Where do men start in making that commitment?
Accept responsibility. Men often blame their wives for not being attentive enough. Certainly, an inattentive wife can be frustrating to a man, but using this as an excuse for virtual adultery is nothing but cowardice. Counselor Joe Dallas writes, “The wife who is inattentive, indifferent, or downright abusive is responsible forher sins, not his. No woman, no matter how odious, makes her man commit adultery, so if a wife sins, let her account. But let her account for her sins alone.”
Many times men are putting the cart before the horse when they use this excuse. It may not be her inattentiveness that has been the catalyst, rather it may be a sign of him not initiating real romance and true intimacy in the first place. And, of course, other issues affecting intimacy may require professional counseling.
Talk is cheap. Fred Stoeker, author of Every Man’s Battle, says, “You must give your wife every right to play a role in defining what ‘trustworthiness’ means to her in your marriage.” What does your wife need from you? She needs more than an apology. She needs to see you are making every effort to change. Ask her what she needs to see from you so trust can be rebuilt.
Be patient. Remember guys, your wife may not understand your attraction to or struggle with porn like you do. And if she has just found out about your struggle, she may be dealing with a whirlwind of confusion and hurt. Just as you desire patience from her as you distance yourself from pornography, give her the same patience. Allow her the freedom to express the hurt she rightly feels.
Get accountability. The late psychologist Alvin Cooper believed that there are three main factors that draw people into the Internet porn: Accessibility, Affordability, and Anonymity. He dubbed this the “Triple A Engine” that drives the digital porn market. Like a three-legged stool: kick out one of the legs and it will fall.
The leg of anonymity is the easiest one to remove. When you remove the secrecy of your Internet use, you eliminate much of the temptation. We do this through accountability: we make ourselves willing to account for where we go and what we see online, allowing trusted friends and colleagues hold us to task on our commitment to stay pure. Use Internet accountability software as a tool in your commitment.
Make real intimacy your end goal. The goal is not simply “quitting pornography.” That, of course, is admirable, but it only leaves a void. What pornography attempts to imitate is what, in the end, we really desire: intimacy with another human being. This is what husbands must strive for in their marriages.
Reclaim what pornography has stolen from you. Choose to break the cycle. Choose to stand for intimacy in a culture drowning in illusion. “So we’re drawing a line,” John Mandeville says, “and whatever it takes, the generation that grows up behind us is going to run where we stumble.”
Good day!Before,I am confidently beautiful with the heart but after I found out that my husband was searching nude,sexy and erotic images and videos on facebook,I felt so ugly and unsexy.My husband has been working in a country where pornsites are banned.On his first contract for two years,He always asked me to send him nude pictures and videos of me.I told him I’m not comfortable doing those things but he told me he needs it really bad.I don’t want my husband to get it from another woman who will do it for him,so I did what he asked.That happened for two years.Then last november,he went home for a vacation.I found porn videos on his laptop.I thought that was okay since he said it was helping him to satisfy his needs.One day,I caught him watching it.I did’t get mad,and I just thought that he might want make love that moment,so we did.We made it while watching the video.From time to time he was looking at the video which made me think that maybe,he’s imagining that he’s having sex with the pornstar and not me.I didn’t told him what I felt because I know I can’t do everything he wants in bed.Instead,I tried to gave him the best I can to please him in bed.I gave it to him when he wants to,I made sure we enjoyed every moment of it.But when he get back to work abroad,I found in his search history that he has been searching for nude,hot and sexy images and videos on facebook.When I checked the dates,I found out that its the only thing he’s searching every single day.Everyday:( Last night we videochat and we did it on cam.I thought he wouldn’t search for nude girls on facebook because I already satisfied him that day.Today I checked his searches and I found 30 searches for 1 day.I feel bad for myself,and i’m thinking that i wasn’t enough to satisfy him anymore.I am also concern about him because I don’t want him to get addicted to it.And he might loose his interest in me and find another woman who can satisfy him.We have one child and he told me that for him,my body looks perfectly after giving birth.But now,I find it hard to believe it.I want him to know how I feel but I don’t know how to tell him.I know he would blame for invading his privacy.I dont know what to feel right now.Please help me:(
Hey Barbs. I’m so sorry for the pain you’re experiencing in your marriage right now.
I think your concerns are legitimate, regarding addiction, losing interest in sex with you, and moving from porn to infidelity. We hear that story over and over again here: porn-induced erectile dysfunction, affairs, etc. Porn use does tend to escalate into more and more acting out.
And I think you’re perhaps also realizing that his porn use is NOT about you, your sexual performance, or your appearance. This is the choice that he makes, and it is his choice.
It seems to me that the number of searches you’ve seen indicates a fairly high level of use. You have to think about what your boundaries need to be in this situation. What is comfortable for you? What is healthy for you? What kind of relationship do you want to be a part of?
Here and here are two articles about boundaries as you think this through. Here are some more articles you might want to explore. Here’s a link to our free download, Hope After Porn, where several women share their stories.
It’s not easy to make these decisions. Take your time, think things through. Find a counselor if you want, to help you process your emotions and decide on boundaries. There are groups as well: xxxChurch, Celebrate Recovery, S Anon, Pure Desire.
The comments regarding women’s self esteem suffers and they think they are not “attractive enough for their husband” —After over 20 years, eventually your husband will tell you that “He’s just not attracted to you anymore and that you just don’t move” –but if you move he loses it”! His penis eventually turns to become a weinee and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it but him. Someone needs to get some real answers from women who have been putting up with this crap and staying married for years. Most young women do not understand until their husband can no longer have sex with them. Husbands start treating their wives awful and many of their behaviors change. I was a porn watcher with my first husband until it made him not want to be married anymore. After 30 years, he informed my daughter that he had made a huge mistake of leaving. My second husband is ridiculous and I believe he had become a porn addict in his early teens. He can’t do shit and is impotent with me now that I am older. So much for a wonderful marriage that he talks like we have as we have been roommates for a good 10 years now. He still acts like I don’t like sex but it was never a problem – lots of men when I had been divorced for 10 years and no one was complaining.
Hey Deborah. I think one of the underlying issues in many marriages is the question of boundaries. We just aren’t taught to think about boundaries, and how to respond when our boundaries are violated. As women, we often receive the message that if we’re pretty enough, nice enough, and have sex enough, we’ll live happily ever after. But the reality is, we can’t control the choices of another person, even when that person is our husband. We have to be responsible for ourselves and our own healthy boundaries. Our partners have to do the same. Boundaries in Marriage by Henry Cloud and John Townsend is a great book on the topic, and here’s an article Ella wrote recently. Blessings, Kay
Hi am having trouble with my man we been together for a year I find porn on him phone on Netflix and he tells me it was not him and that he loves me and wants to marrie me but he don’t touch me we do maby ones every two weeks or three weeks but love me he loves looking in the street at woman that are size 0 and big ass but he don’t look at me that way I just need some help in what to do cus talking to him is not the way to go I’m done with talking to him about it now he just gets mad when I start talking please help me what should I do
I don’t now what to do I’m just thinking of just leaving and letting him get what he really needs cuz he don’t show me I’m what he wants I want love and everything that a man in love will give am done with the lies
Hi Madeline, your frustration is understandable. And sometimes separation is a really healthy boundary to have. Have you seen this article by Ella? It might help you think through where you are, and what’s next. Also, our free download Hope After Porn is stories of several women who’ve been right where you are. Some of them chose separation as part of the recovery process as well. Whatever you decide, I hope you’ll get support for yourself in this. Personal counseling can really help. Groups are great, too: Celebrate Recovery, S Anon, xxxChurch are all places you can check for support as you process these decisions. Blessings, Kay
I am dying inside. I found out about my husband’s porn addiction two years ago. He was not remorseful until he realized how much it hurt me. I don’t think he ever felt remorse on his own though. He went through a year of a recovery program and we had some marriage counseling. That year he did great although I could see his commitment was half hearted but at least he went. He was fine all year and got his one year chip. Three weeks after he relapsed and looked at some celebrity nude photos. He told me right away because he panicked and realized he just lost his one year progress. It hurt me so badly I cannot even look at this celebrity’s face on TV. Fast forward 6 months and he was googling how to fix our fence and clicked on the one naked picture in all the google images that came up. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and moved on. (Ps I found that one myself going through his history). In the past 3 weeks he has clicked on 4 different links. The first again of the same celebrity while I was just in the other room booking our family vacation (which was to mark and ending to a hard but successful year because we are still married and somehow pretty happy inspite the relapses). His second and third clicks were for an app that keeps things private on your phone. We are actually both off of Facebook because he realized last summer that fb was a trigger for him, now he’s looking into private social media apps. The 4th click was the most disturbing to me but close second to the celebrity because I could not believe he looked at her again after what happened last year. This 4th link was of a family and I saw a little boy in there naked. My heart dropped and I panicked because I could not believe that my husband would even be curious about a link that said the word family. On top of that I cannot get out of my mind the extent of what it means that my husband is contributing to the propagation of child porn and possibly human trafficking. We have two young boys ourselves and I have been nauseous all week that he went to a site like that while he was in the bathroom and the rest of us were out and about in the house. Last night I had a crying fit. I couldn’t stop crying no matter how hard I tried. I couldn’t stop thinking of that little boy and that my husband would look at that woman again with me in the other room booking our vacay. I cried for over an hour while he sat there and stared at me yawning and scratching his head and skin (which was seriously driving me insane because it sounded like he was just there out of obligation and not compassion for me) I told him to stop scratching and quit watching me. He got an attitude and left. I grabbed my purse and left the house with not shoes on and drove 100 miles. Now I’m sitting in my car with a broken heart and terrified/disgusted/nauseous to go home. All I keep thinking is “who is this person? Why did I marry him? Is my only solution divorce?” He did not even try to comfort me. He went and contacted his old sponsor, I took his phone and cleaned out all the apps, made him download a safety browser and told him if I ever see him on his phone I’m throwing it in the toilet. I am desperate, I feel so alone and hopeless. My parents are divorced and I can’t bring myself to hurt my sons that way, but I don’t think I can take the heartbreak over and over like this. I don’t think I’ve ever cried so much in my life. I’m so nauseous I have barely eaten all week and tomorrow we are supposed to go on vacation when all I want to do is hide in a cave and cry. Is my husband beyond hope? Should I move on? I keep asking God to give me a sign. To give me direction. I can’t go on living like this. Please pray for me!
Mary, I’m so sorry for the pain you’re in right now.
I don’t think that divorce is the only solution; we do see marriages healed and made whole. HOWEVER, it does depend upon your husband’s willingness to work his program regardless of his relapses. It sounds like he was kind of white-knuckling it to the end of his first year, maybe thinking it would be all in the past by then. Clearly, that’s not the case, and he needs to pick himself up and get serious about his recovery again. I’m glad he contacted his sponsor, and I hope that helps him get back on track. It sounds like he really needs to get back into regular meetings and figure out what’s going on with himself.
I think it’s also time for you to get serious about your own support. Many, many women who find themselves in this situation meet the criteria for PTSD, and yet I find that there is very little emphasis put on the wife’s recovery. My best advice to you right now is this: find a personal counselor. I hope your husband pulls himself together. But whether he does, or doesn’t, you’ve got to get help for you. You have children. You have to make good choices for yourself and for them in a tough situation. Get help while you do that!
You might also appreciate Jen and Craig Ferguson’s book, Pure Eyes Clean Heart. Here’s an article from Jen, with a link to the book at the end. What Jen says in this article is so true: Jesus won’t let go of you. Even when you can’t go on, even when you don’t know what to do. Jesus knows how to go on, and he knows what to do, and he holds onto you, every step of the way.
Blessings and prayers, Kay
This article has helped to finally accept that I have a right to be upset and disappointed. I have searched and posted in so many forums for advice only to be told “it’s a boy thing”, “he’ll resent you if you push him” or “you’re over reacting. It’s not like he’s cheating”. These comments only led me to believe that if I can’t get past it then there must be something wrong with me and that it is my fault my husband views porn.
We’ve been married for 2 years, but been together for 9 years all up. When we meet there were porn magazines in his room which probably should’ve been my first sign, but I put it down to a single mans right. I didn’t say anything about and we moved in together they didn’t come with us. 4 years passed without an incident (at least not one I knew of). Then during the pregnancy of our 2nd child I heard him moaning in our bed as I slept beside him. He was masturbating to porn on his phone. I pretended not to notice and sleepingly asked what he was doing. He said nothing and got up and left the room. I didn’t say anything about it. I assumed he was lonely because medically I wasn’t allowed to have sex during my high risk pregnancy. Afterwards he left slept on the floor after one night he hit me in his sleep. His excuse was he didn’t want to hurt me, but I still heard his muffled moans. I can’t express the pain in caused in my heart and I often cried silently asleep.
Once cleared for sex, our sex life picked up and I felt like a school girl in love again. He became so affectionate throughout the day. I felt happy and thought everything was fine. Then we got married.
Maybe the ring on his finger weighs him down? The porn returned. The history on my computer was explicit and again I felt hurt. When I confronted him, I was angry and probably didn’t handle it well, but he promised not to do it anymore. Our sex life picked up again for a short time, then dropped again just as fast.
One month his phone bill came in at $350. I went through the detailed list trying to find out how it sky rocketed. There were hundreds of entries to adult content text messages and phone services. He denied the whole thing. He said the guys at work were all discussing it so he sent one message and it automatically signed it up. Coincidently the date of the texts and calls were at night weren’t they? But I believed him and worked hard with the phone and adult companies to have the charges removed. When they continued to be denied after 3 months, my husband finally admitted they were his fault. I was angry he lied for 3 months to me, but after reading that I shouldn’t be confrontational, I calmly discussed it with him. Told him how it hurt, that I felt degraded and disrespected. He said he had a problem and wanted to stop. I asked if there was anything he wanted to try with me and he said no he didn’t want to see me the way he sees them. I was his wife not a porn star. I didn’t know how to react so left that comment unanswered. We ended the conversation with he will stop.
Recently while trying to help me find an app on his phone, I noticed porn videos on his downloads lists dated 3 days prior. Again he denied knowledge saying they must have downloaded by themselves. How can they download by themselves unless you’re looking at the sites? Does he think I’m idiot? Reinforced I was hurt and again he promised he’ll stop. Then today while looking for a website I visited last week in the computers history, there they are again! Dated the day after our last conversation. I’m so hurt and wondering if our marriage is worth the lies.
He isn’t home at the moment but I have the urge to make up the spare room and chuck all his clothes in there. I don’t want him to come home at all right now and I don’t know what to do. How can a marriage survive on lies, deceit, secrets and disrespect?
Hey Annette. I’m so glad you found us and wrote in! First of all, let me say how sorry I am that you’re experiencing such pain in your marriage. You absolutely do have the right to be angry, hurt, sad, scared–all of those things. This is NOT what your marriage vows were about!
Second, let me say that we believe in boundaries around here! While I’d agree that a lot of screaming and yelling and trying to control is not healthy, ignoring it isn’t healthy either.
His addiction is his responsibility–that’s one boundary. How you choose to deal with your marriage as it is right now–that’s another boundary. Have you read our free download, Hope After Porn? Several women tell their stories of dealing with this in marriage, and how they chose to handle their boundaries. You might also appreciate the classic, Boundaries in Marriage, by Henry Cloud and John Townsend.
You asked, “How can a marriage survive on lies, deceit, secrets, and disrespect?” Well, it can’t. I think you already know that. It’s just a terrible, terrible place to be.
As you consider a way forward, I’d recommend locating a counselor for yourself, so you can think about what you want to do next.
If he’s at all interested in recovery, he might appreciate this article.
I notice you did not post my comment which is contrary to all the rest of these. I am sorry I do not buy into the victim mentality. Also, there are very real reasons why people watch porn. The puritanism of America is one. The out of control obesity is another. The reality is if you escape to porn there is a reason and most often that reason is that you are not getting something you need at home. So, let’s be fair on this issue and post everyone’s comments. Also, let’s be honest about this issue. The women are good looking and on average, 47 pounds lighter than the average American woman. Then, human beings are made to have sex. If they weren’t, it would not feel good and we would not have been given hormones. Sex would just be a one time thing to propagate the species.
No reason I didn’t post your comment except that I was out of the office for the weekend. They’re up now.
Also, women need to stop blaming men for the destruction of marriages. The reality is that with the rise of feminism, marriage has been destroyed. Women take no responsibility for anything in life. Until then, men are always going to look elsewhere. Especially in America because American women are the worst out of every woman in the world. Heck, American women kill babies in abortion and then speak of domestic violence when they have killed more women than all the wars in the world combined. It is hypocrisy and women are at the center of it. If you think this is too harsh, I hope you don’t have a son because he will face what I am talking about —- hypocritical women who take no responsibility for anything.
I agree that if men are unhappy in their marriages, they will often look elsewhere for satisfaction, but why is that not their fault? Men need to take stock of what it means to be married, to be in a committed relationship where you “forsake all others,” no matter the circumstances.
I do agree that men and women need to stop blaming each other for their own sins. Let each person own up to their own problems.
Luke, I don’t know how to reply to your reply other than replying to my initial message. I want to answer your question because I think it is important. About Christie Brinkley, just because a woman is a world famous model it doesn’t mean she is good in bed or even has a lot of sex. I have found that some of the most beautiful women out there are terrible in the bedroom. Why? Because they think their beauty is enough. I completely understand why Brinkley’s husband went to porn. Also, Brinkley pushed sex herself. Why is she so suprised her husband would look at porn, when she literally personified sex for a generation of men?
See, this gets to the reality of sex. Women use it their entire lives to get what they want until they get so old they can no longer use it. Yet, we never call women on this fact. We skirt around it so we don’t upset the political correctness of this world. I mean literally there are billions of porn pictures on the net. That doesn’t count homemade porn, videos, strip joints, lingeries stores, etc. The reality is women make themselves into sexual objects. Like I said in an article I sent. There are tons of jobs in this world. Tons of them that do not require pushing sex.
That is what I mean by realistically. We are only dealing with one side of the equation. That is all we ever do. It is the male’s fault and the woman is innocent. Heck, we assume it is only men who cheat. Trust me when I say, as a single man, more women cheat than you can imagine. Two things happen in our culture we never talk about regarding women. They are that women are cheating like crazy and underage girls go after older men all the time. Society always frames the issue as the devoted mother staying at home while the husband cheats or the innocent underage girl who is victimized by a man. The reality if people actually dealt with reality is that there are many married women cheating and many underage girls purposely going after older men. If a person is an attractive male that is successful, you will see that easily.
Until women are more accountable. The porn/sex issue in America will never get better. But really this should not surprise anyone. The bible speaks of women who are temptresses. Nothing has changed from biblical days and America is the new sodom. Heck, internet porn traffic clearly shows this fact.
I don’t think we disagree. I don’t think men being accountable and women being accountable are mutually exclusive options, or that one needs to happen before the other. We write about both men and women taking ownership of their wrongdoings and lies they believe about sexuality. I understand that you are trying to correct an imbalance you see in communication out there, but the tone of your comments suggests you think men shouldn’t be accountable. I could just be misreading you.
“It’s not because you’re not enough, not beautiful, and that he doesn’t find you attractive,” Shelli Mandeville says. “It’s so important that women get that.”
This statement is such BS and totally skirts around the issue of why men watch porn. The average woman in America is not at a healthy weight. The average porn star weighs 47 pounds less than the average American woman. Why are men watching porn? Because most of the women are good looking and in shape and do everything in the bedroom.
You want to tackle the problem of porn realistically … start dealing with reality. Also, start admitting a puritan attitude towards sex has backfired in America. Making things taboo makes it desirable. A healthier attitude towards sex is need in America.
I mostly disagree. While many people (not just women) in America are not a healthy weight, this is not the central reason why men watch porn. Men watch porn because it is low-risk, self-centered, and enjoyable. Many men are drawn to porn who have wives who are sexually eager and not overweight. If Christie Brinkley’s ex-husband can have a $3000 porn habit, the problem is does not rest with the wife.
I do agree that a prudish attitude toward sex is not the answer. I completely agree we need to not make sex a taboo subject, as is the case in Western culture.
What I’m not sure about is your comment about tackling the problem of porn “realistically.” What does that mean?
Luke, yes…this is exactly what happened. My goal at this point is to help other women in my own circles to open up and speak. I hope I can help people avoid the shame and powerlessness I experienced by keeping quiet. Thanks again for all that you do. Keep writing!! :D