“You cried with her?!”
My wife appeared wounded, even a little threatened, when I described my conversation with a female employee. The young woman’s performance had been slipping the past few weeks and the perpetual look of distress on her face suggested problems at home were to blame. The simple question, “How are you?” opened a floodgate of tears as she described feelings of betrayal and despair because of her husband’s behavior. As she wept, I empathized with her pain and shed a few tears of my own. While I maintained strict physical boundaries with my coworker—I didn’t so much as pat her hand—my emotional response to another woman’s anguish triggered a protective instinct within my mate.
Charissa is neither insecure nor suspicious by nature. In fact, she quickly caught herself and recognized that I had simply empathized with the suffering of another person. Nevertheless, her visceral reaction gave me a fleeting glimpse into the mystery of womanhood. And the resulting conversation with my wife became the first step on a journey of discovery in which I learned just how differently men and women experience marital intimacy. Along the way, I also discovered a profound truth that explains why wives consider a man’s viewing pornography nothing short of adultery . . . and why men think they’re overreacting.
For Her, It’s Mind over Matter
Men and women in lasting relationships share four fundamental connections: physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. However, men and women establish these connections in different order and give them different priority.
Men build monogamy upon a foundation of physical connection. By that, I don’t mean touching, necessarily. Physical connection involves much more. Men need to be physically present with a woman in order to bond with her emotionally, mentally, and spiritually. He wants to be near her, to share time and experiences with her, to see her face and hear her voice, even before touching her for the first time. Physical connection is both primal and primary, which explains why men commonly dismiss long-distance relationships as futile, like having no relationship at all. This is not to suggest that men are fundamentally shallow; they simply experience the deeper aspects of intimacy by means of their physical senses.
Because physical connection comes first, physical connection remains foundational to intimacy. According to Willard Harley, author of the now-classic His Needs Her Needs, the top three relationship necessities for men are sexual fulfillment, recreational companionship, and a pleasing appearance—all sensory in nature.
Women, on the other hand, build monogamy on a foundation of mental connection, which is no less primal or primary than a man’s need to experience his mate through the five senses. In the beginning, when a woman is drawn to a man she finds interesting, she wants to know all about him, his character, his ideas, his interests, his goals. Being in his presence merely serves this need, but letters and long discussions by phone will do just as well. Generally speaking, a woman can tolerate a long-distance romance much better than a man, as long as she continues to experience a rich mental connection with her lover.
It should come as no surprise then, that this mental connection remains foundational to a woman’s experience of intimacy. According to Harley, she needs affection, conversation, and honesty/openness more than anything. While men automatically assume that affection means touching, women think of affection in terms of its mental and emotional significance. A tender note or an unexpected call “just because” are no less meaningful than a hug or a peck on the cheek.
In addition to affection, a wife needs conversation and honesty/openness from her husband. This mental connection to her husband is crucial to her sense of well-being.
To feel secure, a wife must trust her husband to give her accurate information about his past, the present, and the future. What has he done? What is he thinking or doing right now? What plans does he have? If she cannot trust the signals he sends . . . she has no foundation on which to build a solid relationship.
A woman experiences intimacy at its deepest levels when she enjoys complete access to her man’s mind. She feels closest and most secure when she can trust that he holds no secrets from her and when he freely shares his unfiltered, unedited thoughts with her. Even better when she enjoys exclusive access to his innermost self. So, when this connection is broken or violated, the fracture affects the entire foundation of her world.
Making the Connection
Put simply, a direct correlation can be made between physical connection for a man and mental connection for a woman. The truth of this really hit home when I read Shaunti Feldhahn’s For Women Only. In her attempt to explain to women the significance of sex for men, she wrote,
For your husband, sex is more than just a physical need. Lack of sex is as emotionally serious to him as, say, his sudden silence would be to you, were he simply to stop communicating with you. It is just as wounding to him, just as much a legitimate grievance—and just as dangerous to your marriage.
This explains a lot! What the body is to a man, the mind is to a woman. Women treasure mental intimacy like men prize physical intimacy. And just like men expect women to keep their bodies exclusively for them, women expect their men to do the same with their minds.
I am just now beginning to understand what women mean when they say the brain is a sex organ. And I am just now recognizing why a wife feels so betrayed when her husband allows pornography to fondle his mind. She is deeply wounded on at least two levels.
First, pornography violates a wife’s exclusive domain.
Please bear with me as I illustrate the significance of this truth. My purpose is to help men appreciate the anguish women often experience, not to be offensive.
If you are a man, imagine your wife walking through a room full of men. They turn to notice her. Many leer. One reaches out and begins fondling intimate parts of her body. What do you hope she will do?
Every man hopes his wife will consider her body the exclusive domain of her husband, reserved for him alone—his eyes, his hands, his enjoyment—granting access to no other person. He hopes she will be offended, utterly outraged when touched by someone other than her husband. He hopes she will slap the violator’s hand away and then move quickly toward the exit. Every man expects his wife to guard her body from interloping hands, whether he’s present or not.
Now imagine the unthinkable. In response to the man touching her body, she pauses and smiles at him as he continues to grope. Another man sees an opportunity and touches another part of her. She doesn’t respond in kind, but she doesn’t rush for the door, either. In fact, she appears to enjoy the attention.
How do you feel right now?
This is how a woman feels when her husband allows sensual images to grope his mind, her exclusive domain.
Now imagine the additional pain you would experience if, after confronting your wife’s behavior, she justified or rationalized or minimized the incident. Oh, honey, it was harmless. I didn’t do anything in return. Besides, God made me an attractive woman; I can’t help what men try to do. The world is full of men who will try to touch me, should I lock myself away and avoid the whole world? You’re the only one for me, really. That incident didn’t mean anything!
There’s a lot of truth in what she says. She can’t help what a world full of men think or even try to do. Locking herself away isn’t a realistic answer. Perhaps to her it did mean nothing. But none of that is important. The facts are these: It meant something to you; she should care about that. She can’t control the actions of others; however, she can guard her response. She can’t stop men from leering, but she can avoid risky environments. Someday a man might try to touch her inappropriately, but she can slap his hand away and remove herself from the situation.
Sensual images seem less significant, less threatening to men. But not to women. A wife needs to know—not merely by her husband’s words, but by his behavior—that his mind is completely devoted to her. She understands that the world will continue to assault men with sensual images; nevertheless, she wants—no, she needs her man to protect and preserve what belongs to her.
Second, pornography destroys the foundation upon which a wife builds security.
Based on more than twenty years of research and innumerable hours in couples’ therapy, Willard Harley reduced the needs of women to a single word: security.
“A sense of security is the bright golden thread woven through all of a woman’s five basic needs. If a husband does not keep up honest and open communication with his wife, he undermines her trust and eventually destroys her security.”
Pornography is almost always a secret sin, the core element of a hidden other life. When a woman discovers that her husband has been devoting portions of his mind to sexually gratifying images and then closing off those areas to her, the revelation shakes her world to its very foundation. She naturally begins to wonder what other terrible secrets occupy the mind she thought she knew so well. And if she had been so mistaken about knowing her man’s mind, how can she be certain of anything else? Furthermore, his dishonesty destroys her trust, the essential basis of any relationship.
Ironically, when men discover they are victims of adultery, they frequently describe similar thoughts.
Raising the Stakes
While men struggle to understand why women place pornography in the same category with adultery, we must try; or, at the very least, accept the testimony of women at face value. For women, whose intimacy rests upon a foundation of mental connection, the effect of pornography on marriage is very much the same as outright adultery. It destroys intimacy. It betrays trust. And, even when undiscovered, viewing pornography creates emotional distance. In the end, women suffer the same physical, psychological, and spiritual anguish men experience as a result of adultery.
Men, let us always remember that the mind we protect is not ours alone. When we allow an enemy to enter, our mate suffers greater injury than we realize. Therefore, guard your heart with all diligence. Your heart is more than the wellspring of your own life; it is also her fortress.
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This trail has been useful for me. I am a married male (my wife is one of the most amazing human beings I could have ever met) and have struggled with issues of purity since I was 11 years old and am now almost 50. It feels to me that anyone who is personally committed to following scriptural guidance for their lives should take seriously the instructions we find there even if it is hard work.
I have never blamed my wife for my weakness in these areas and I have also never allowed myself to convince myself that porn is “okay”–even still, I have struggled.
One of the most difficult aspects for me intellectually however has been to minimize my struggle with porn by suggesting it is not really a sin against my wife, but rather has been a sin between myself and God. I have not intellectually understood how it has made her feel and the extent to which it offends her core sense of need and desire for security in our relationship.
The above trail has been very helpful to me in seeing and feeling the offence I cause my wife when she finds examples of my interaction with porn. I pray that this can help me in my journey to find freedom in Christ from porn.
I very much appreciate people such as Mark who are called to work with men (as a man) and help us change the way we think about this matter which I pray will help us change the way I behave in this area.
I pray that all men who are committed to the Creator’s princples for our lives can find freedom and help build strong marraiges and families and teach their children to do the same.
Mark, thanks for your article which addresses one of the most difficult disputes between my wife and I since she uncovered my secret (>40yrs) porn habit/addiction.
To me the anonymity and privacy of porn versus the relational involvement of adultery made a huge difference, and I had not felt or intended to “cheat” on her. After many discussions with her I was beginning to understand her position, and your article has helped to crystalise those thoughts.
Working with HeLP has made conffont my own delusional thought processes to justify my escape into pornworld. Satan has much to answer for, but never suppreses our free will to choose, just places cunning and attractive traps to switch me/us from the narrow upward path to the wide and easy downward track ! Please pray for me as I continue to try to find the way back.
The moral of the story is to marry a gal who likes porn too. No one should have to put up with these self-centered insecure romanticists.
BD,
I am SO glad you are continuing with your recovery. Each day pure is a victory for your wife and home. Many men fall; heroes get up. Thanks for being an example to other men, and for being your woman’s hero.
As I click “Post Comment,” I give thanks to God for you and I pray His strength will continue to fill you.
Hi, thanks for the article. I found it really good, and the illustration wife allowing touching really hit home with me. About a year into my recovery, I had a dream that my wife and I had a big fight and she was very angry with me. When I went back to look for her couldn’t find her. I asked someone where she was and they said that a guy had come up to her and groped her, and then she got in the car with him and went back to his place. I was so shocked and confused over how she could go home with a guy she didn’t know who was so creepy that he would grope her in public, that I woke myself up with crying and yelling her name.
It really made me think that I had done the same thing to her in my mind THOUSANDS of times by looking at porn.
We have had a rocky road, but by God’s grace we are still together and I am coming up on two years of recovery (although just this morning I found a magazine on the side of the road and saw some of it as I picked it up to put it in the trash – Yech) I hate those images and what porn has done in my life. My prayer is that God be glorified in all my thoughts and actions. Praise Him who is able to redeem us from the pit of destruction!!!
Hi De,
I’m gratified to know the article helped you understand the issue of pornography from a woman’s point of view. There’s no way, of course, we as men can completely comprehend their experience, but having the ability to empathize will help your relationship immensely. I have some practical suggestions to offer that will undoubtedly make a significant difference in the future of your marriage.
Some of this will be hard to hear, but bear with me. It gets better in the end.
First, let me affirm the hurt you feel because of your wife’s lack of sexual response. In the same way men struggle to understand the emotional impact of pornography on a woman, women rarely understand the emotional component of male sexuality. One of the most profoundly helpful books available on the inner lives of men is For Women Only, by Shauti Feldhahn. My wife and I do a fair amount of premarital counseling and we use this and her companion book, For Men Only, as a resource. I highly recommend you read For Men Only as a means of understanding your wife better. Then, as your relationship heals, consider reading both books together as a fun way to facilitate communication and mutual understanding. I don’t recommend this, however, until your marriage has had some time to heal.
In For Women Only, Feldhahn states,
The feelings you experience because of your wife’s neglect are both powerful and legitimate. They, in no small way, contribute to your desire for porn. But let me caution you! If you’re like many men, Feldhahn’s words will resonate so deeply, you will be tempted to put this book under your wife’s nose so she will finally understand you. I urge you to hold that desire in check . . . for now. If you try to communicate your needs now, it will backfire. Instead, follow the course of action I will describe and, in due time, as you demonstrate your desire to understand her before asking to be understood, she will become more receptive to hearing your wounded heart.
Stay with me, okay?
You have a legitimate grievance with your wife. She is wounding you deeply with her lack of sexual response. However, you are responding to this ongoing hurt improperly in two specific ways. First, you now turn to pornography to meet the emotional needs your wife should be meeting. This is likely the result of what I call “marital polarization.” Somewhere, in the beginning of your relationship, she may have neglected your needs and you turned to porn, which turned her off, leading to her further withdrawal, which fueled your desire for more porn, and so on. Or, just as likely, you took the cheap route to self fulfillment via porn rather than trust her to meet your needs, which started this ugly chain of events, leading to extreme polarization.
It’s not important who initiated the polarization that keeps you two apart. The point is, you are now polarized and your repeated sinning with porn only makes things worse.
A second improper response I observe: you’re looking for your wife to take the lead in solving this problem. You undoubtedly think that her sudden reversal in sexual response will ease your desire for porn, thus making the habit easier to kick. That’s a subtle delusion on two counts. First, your desire for porn is not something external; it is internal. Your wife’s neglect may have triggered something, but the source of this problem is yours and only you can deal with it. Second, you are allowing her neglect to become your excuse to seek sinful shortcuts in satisfying your sexual-emotional needs.
It’s vitally important to understand your role in this relationship. You, as the man, are the leader. You, as the man, are the initiator and she is the responder. This has to happen in life before it can happen in the bedroom. I’m talking about your role as leader and your responsibility as the initiator as the spiritual, emotional, and functional man of the house. Only after you fulfill those roles can there be any hope of response from your wife sexually. That’s not to say if you do fulfill your manly leadership role well outside of the bedroom that she will necessarily respond sexually. My point is this: Your wife may, in fact, have some significant sexual issues of her own, but—this is vital to understand—those issues will remain hidden or obscured if you continue to mask them with your own dysfunctional behavior. In other words, as unfair as it may seem, you, as the leader, must work on your issues first. You must lead her toward better relational health by pursuing your own healing, for your own sake, without any expectation that she will do the same. (I outline some helpful principles and practical steps in my blog article, “What to Do When She’s Ready to Walk Out”.)
That might feel like bad news. It doesn’t seem fair that you have to be the one to seek healing for your sexual dysfunction when it feels like she shares equal responsibility for perpetuating the problem. Your feelings of shame and inadequacy—the emotional fallout of porn use—undoubtedly leave you feeling hopeless, incapable of turning this thing around. But let me assure you, her seeking leadership from you is a very good thing. The ball is your court. Her looking to you for leadership gives you a large say in where your marriage goes from here. If she has sexual issues that need to be addressed, it’s up to you to lead by example as you get help for your own issues.
Here is what I recommend, step by step:
First, repent.
Begin by reading these three practical articles to discover how you can offer your wife healing and hope.
“How to Recover from a Fall”
“‘I’ll Change, I promise: Six Signs of Genuine Repentance”
“Ten Characteristics of a Great Apology”
Your wife not only deserves your complete, unreserved repentance, she will find it easier to soften her heart and follow your leadership.
Second, take complete responsibility for your own healing.
In “How to Recover from a Fall”, you will repent before the Lord first, then to the people you have harmed. Similarly, you must begin with prayer asking God for His supernatural healing and for wisdom as you seek ways to take part in your own recovery. “Confronting Sexual Impurity Intelligently” is a helpful tool to get you started. In addition to the guidance available through Covenant Eyes, this simple assessment tool includes links to helpful resources. Assess yourself with the input of your wife and choose the appropriate plan of action.
Third, seek support for your recovery outside the home.
Your wife can be your cheerleader, but she must not become your accountability or your recovery support. You must be accountable to her in the sense of remaining completely transparent, but she must not bear the responsibility of accountability and support for your recovery. She needs to see you lead. That helps her rebuild trust and respect for you. For accountability and support, find a Celebrate Recovery group in your area and begin attending.
The fact that you are “on the brink of divorce” suggests you have not gone beyond the point of no return. There is hope for you, and your wife, and your marriage. But only if you take your eyes off of her, resist the urge to blame-shift or seek help from her, set aside any feelings of selfishness or entitlement, and lead. If you lead, your wife will most likely respond positively. And as her wounds heal, her trust and respect for you grows, she will either respond in the bedroom or discover she has work of her own to do. You focus on leading, let the Lord be responsible for changing her heart.
Good article. Good information. My husband was at risk for losing his job of 30 years on a federal base for sending porn via federal computers at work. They allowed him to retire..if he didnt he would be fired. That was 7 years ago. I had no idea what he had been doing. He is still involved in porn..and Im headed for divorce. He quits when caught..for a short time. A wife deserves faithfulness…’forsaking all others’ This is an act of infidelity in spite of your opinion. And biblical grounds for divorce. Allowing ongoing filth into the marital home..refusing to repent and stop such destructive degrading.disrespectful behavior to ones spouse is unconscionable. Ya dont look the other way..or confront them and just pray and keep hoping. He (or she) stops ..repents or they need to move out. God will provide a spouse deserving of you. Not someone who enjoys wallowing around in a pig pen.
I’m glad you’ve been able to see reality, identify healthy boundaries for yourself, and move forward. Thanks for sharing your story here.
My wife and I have the same issue and are on the brink of divorce because of my porn viewing. She showed me this site so that I can understand exactly how she feels. This article has enlightened me on the subject, I couldnt understand how she could say viewing porn was cheating, now I do. I have one question for you though, when u are a man that provides for his family, treats his wife very well, does whatever she asks of him, besides having to be a stay at home mom, she does and buys pretty much whatever she wants. I cant remember the last time I told her no on anything, also I try my best to make her day as easy as possible. My porn viewing is a result of our cold sexual relationship, but she gets upset when I try to talk to her about it. I no longer feel like I can talk to her about it. I ask her what am I supposed to do when she refuses to please me sexually. Her response is usually I need to be with another woman cause she not doing more than what she already does. What am I supposed to do, I love her I dont want to be with anyone else. I hate the fact that im a married man that has to resort to porn its embarassing. I will never leave her over sex, but I knoe she will leave me over porn.
De..You are making excuses for choosing to sin. Blaming your wife for your choice to do porn. Really? Cmon on now. Watching porn isnt treating your wife well. Why dont you stop and sincerely apologize ..perhaps it would save your marriage.?
Luke–Again, some of this is just semantics and I think differing interpretations of adultery are inconsequential to the resulting damage (as you and Mark point out), but some men use this “not really adultery” argument to rationalize, justify and minimize their behavior and I don’t see giving that latitude to be a help to those that still need to “win on a technicality”. And the whole act is, in fact, physical in nature since most men masturbate while viewing. I’m not sure why it seems so important to distinguish that physical adultery is intercourse with a non-spouse and using porn to achieve the same release is another kind of sin (as you put it). I’m not trying to be argumentative but I think it is unhelpful to even make a distinction.
And too, please know that my views are not just speculative; obviously I have dealt with this issue in my own marriage and I have recently seen close friends’ marriages end over pornography use and unending rationalizations by the users that they are not committing “real adultery”. Call it what you will but if it looks like a duck………….
@Janie – I completely agree with you that porn “isn’t technically adultery” is most often, perhaps exclusively, used as a rationalization.
I recognize that this is not the average thought here but I want to add my two cents from Janie thoughts.
Janie you say that men use “not adultery” as an excuse to rationalize this sin. I agree that we all rationalize our sin, however, I do not think we help ourselves but calling something what it isn’t. Porn is not adultery. What it is is emotionally damaging, relationship destroying, and life destructive. It does destroy marriages but it does not do so because it is adultery. It does so because it destroys trust and intimacy. Jesus said “whoever lusts after a woman has committed adultery IN HIS HEART”. If it were the same as adultery, taken to its farthest extent all men have lusted and all men have adulterated their marriages and all men are divorce-able. I don’t know how to respond to the woman who seem to be looking for a way out of a marriage, by this I do not mean you but some other posts, that God has put them in. Leaving would be justified sin, also.
Janie, If adultery is the duck, then that is not pornography. And we shouldn’t call it so. You do not need to magnify the sin of pornography for it to be a serious sin.
Definitely agree w you Janie…whats the point to throw it out there.Porn is a sin against his wife..a betrayal and devastatingly painful.Not to be any less minimized .. Youll never get me to agree porn isnt adultry. And why minimize it by suggesting otherwise. A man cannot truly understand how it makes a woman feel enough to write about it effectively.My husband quits when he gets caught then starts back up. We are headed for divorce because of it. It has gone on a long time. Calling it an addiction…..when it is a choice to sin. The things he watches are disgusting in our home..the place where I pray and worship God..pornography draws perverted spirits..and bondage. I can feel their presence at times. A woman does not want to be touched after a man rolls around in a pig pen of filth over and over again. Youre right my husband has no interest in intercourse w me anymore after having sex w hundreds of woman online…in various degrees of depravity. Get out of the marriage ladies if he refuses to quit.God does not want you to live like that. There are many men who dont do.porn..the ones who.respect woman and truly are godly men..or are just men of integrity. We deserve better.
dont settle if hes not repentant…you matter.
I really enjoyed this article and mostly agree as does my husband, who finally a year ago, understood my assertion that his behavior constituted an infidelity in our marriage and was tantamount to adultery. We have been working hard on our marriage and this issue in the last year and I am very glad to finally find my feelings articulated in an accurate and insightful way. I do take issue with what Mark wrote on July 29, 2009 in a response, (“The fact is, viewing porn and adultery are not the same. Nevertheless, the pain porn causes wives on a relational and emotional level is just as deep.”) but rather than focus on different interpretations of what constitutes adultery, I would jsut say that I think his insight into the emotional damage women feel is spot on and I am grateful for this contribution. And I will say to those of you who are struggling with this and dismissing your partner’s views, please put away your pride and listen. Porn is wrecking marriages and destroying families and lives. It’s not worth it.
@Janie – Thanks for your response. I think what Mark is saying is that physical adultery and looking at pornography are distinct sins. One involves sexual intercourse or emotional involvement with someone who is not your spouse. The other involves wrapping your lust around pornographic mediums. Of course, both are very damaging to a marriage and both stem from the same heart of lust, even if the physical actions differ.
Wow! Please don’t hate me for my justifications. If your wife has allowed others to fondle her in front of you and has allowed others to use her in front of you and betrayed you calling you racist when you try to call her interracially promiscuous and lied to you about additional incidences and by the time you squeeze the truth out of her she has now bore your children and obviously repeated and committed adultery. then you seek refuge in begging for the truth just like the article claims a woman has a right to, but I guess I’m greedy because not only did I want her inner truths and mind but I still wanted her sexual loyalty offering her forgiveness if she could just be honest and faithful and tell the other guys and women who supported (justified)her while doing these things, that they are unwelcome and sworn enemies for the part they played in disrespecting her family and her husband, but while being lied to my heart was hurt and i would say mean things accusing her of continuing to lie(which she was) and not being sorry and not having any compassion therefore not deserving the bare minimum respect that she herself was unwilling to give, fast forward after many separations i find solace in porn as a tool to keep me from adulterously taking care of the needs that she is only willing to stop by once a week and perform but with many children and the fear that a real divorce will hurt them more than me. i don’t know what else to do, she belittles me all the time with the standard porn argument , that i do see has Merritt, but if she is not willing to take care of me go to counseling,, produce a single christian male witness for her denials, is porn ever a positive tool? or should I just divorce/dismiss her because she has been maritally unfaithful and has a hardened heart?(and teach my sons and daughters that her specific actions are the only reason daddy divorced our family unit-no christian should teach their children that we divorced because we didn’t get along, as whoever was quoting Jesus up there knows that there are only 2 reasons god permits divorce, and any other story to our kids teaches them wrong and makes me a liar which is the only sinner God doesn’t love”god hates the liar” which if i were going to do that I may as well watch porn and press her to do the deviant things with her husband that she did on her own with others-and yes yes yes i have tried to ask her to get help but as you can probably ascertain she blames me, and the circle of disrespect and weekly sex any yearning for more repeats itself. She has brought out the worst in me as a man and as a father. I am an attractive guy who lost my mojo 18yrs ago when this started and only feel good while engaging her in deviant sex, because after all she perused it with other men, as she was before we even got together 18yrs ago, so why should i be denied any desires? but make no mistake anything I want or ask her to do is always met with unwillingness and criticism and being called a hypocrite. I messed up my life and life for my 5 kids not running at the extreme danger sign of interracial promiscuity, shame on me for falling for her and her friends insinuating i was a racist when all those racist guys were disrespectful to me even if she allowed herself to be disrespected i should have weathered the hate jeers by her racist friends and beat the tar out of those guys as i easily could have but did not …that’s where this former ncaa hwt wrestler lost his mojo i got punked and my wife is dishonest and she has made me now dishonest, i separated although we live close and I see my kids almost daily and coach their teams. i see her unwillingness to please me as a sign that she is not and never was sorry and that she is not and never was willing to do anything for her husband, I don’t really know if i wan’t her to be deviant really just want to know she would for me but am always met with that defiant attitude that i find very common specifically in interacilly promiscuous women. HELP! all my deviant requests are also given to her as options for her to help me get over her continual adulterous disrespect and public humiliation i have endured. ps i would stop watching porn in a ny milisecond to be the sexual apple of her eye that she would slap the others away for. sorry for the run on and lack of basic grammer just venting to a random post i came across